Interview available at minute 44:30 on the BBC iPlayer

The interview regards the controversial legislation to change the Brazilian Forest Code.

According to Joels” despite an opinion poll showing that 90 percent of the Brazilian population does not agree with proposed changes to the Forest Code” which will diminish the amount of required forest protection on private property as well as the fines for deforestation” agribusiness has had more organized representation in Congress than environmentalists” especially since 2004 when the code began to be seriously enforced.